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Post by Toz76 on Dec 4, 2017 19:21:28 GMT -5
Yep
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Dec 4, 2017 19:29:05 GMT -5
Got it; so I presume that the next time we see the Syndicate in 13, it's going to be either Blade, Byrne and Muller at the safe house or Elvira and the others on the plane?
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Dec 5, 2017 0:27:26 GMT -5
Given that we're nearing the end of this LM; and I really only partially outlined this to Toz, so I wanted to explain to the rest of you where Gunnarson ends up at the end of 13:
In the end, Walton decides to drop the charges against Gunnarson and returns his gun... but only if he respects the official detectives decisions that they will not allow him on crime scenes anymore. For the ones that do respect Gunnarson, "it'll be at their discretion" he simply says.
But Gunnarson's reputation had taken a severe hit; in large part due to the press coverage of his more "questionable" methods. weeks go by and no one turns to him for casework. Realizing he needs to pay the bills... he decides to look for work. And this job... stems from an unfired checkhov's gun in LM one.
This job also serves as an important plot point... as it will explain why Gunnarson will not be around in LM 14.
As for LM 15... I imagine his reputation starts recovering, we'll have to wait and see.
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Dec 5, 2017 16:45:43 GMT -5
What's the checkhov's gun, Frank? I found another one in LM that I've been saving up and I want to be sure we don't use the same one.
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Dec 5, 2017 16:52:33 GMT -5
So here's another idea I had for a future volume. If you recall I posted a list of "Ten Commandments" of mystery stories. They are:
1. The criminal must be mentioned in the early part of the story, but must not be anyone whose thoughts the reader has been allowed to know. 2. All supernatural or preternatural agencies are ruled out as a matter of course. 3. Not more than one secret room or passage is allowable. 4. No hitherto undiscovered poisons may be used, nor any appliance which will need a long scientific explanation at the end. 5. No Chinaman must figure in the story. 6. No accident must ever help the detective, nor must he ever have an unaccountable intuition which proves to be right. 7. The detective himself must not commit the crime. 8. The detective is bound to declare any clues which he may discover. 9. The "sidekick" of the detective, the Watson, must not conceal from the reader any thoughts which pass through his mind: his intelligence must be slightly, but very slightly, below that of the average reader. 10. Twin brothers, and doubles generally, must not appear unless we have been duly prepared for them.
My idea is we take all of these and write short stories in which we break the rules in an attempt to see just how good we are at writing mystery stories. It would be called "The Art of Detection" and I feel like it would be pretty fun so long as we duly prepare for the stories and I don't go nuts again.
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Dec 5, 2017 17:00:01 GMT -5
If I told you that would spoil the surprise But here's a hint Koket
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Dec 5, 2017 17:20:02 GMT -5
Ah good, we've got separate ones. Carry on!
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Post by Toz76 on Dec 5, 2017 18:07:32 GMT -5
Hi, um, number 5 is kind of racist.
Otherwise, we've already broken a few of those. So I don't see much point.
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Dec 5, 2017 18:17:56 GMT -5
Hi, um, number 5 is kind of racist. Get a life. I know we've broken some of them but that's kind of the reason we'd be doing this anyway - we broke them before and failed, here we'd break them to succeed.
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Post by Toz76 on Dec 5, 2017 19:15:18 GMT -5
Elvira in LM2.
This is the whole point of Stein.
I think we've broken this one before too, but I'm not certain.
Drugg. Full stop
LM13 prologue. Also, racism.
*derisive laugh*
Okay, we've played with this one a bit, but we've never actually done it.
Again, LM2 sticks out like a sore thumb.
LM1 breaks it.
LM3 and LM10.
This isn't to say "don't do it", but it is a reminder that not only have we done this before, but writing poorly on purpose is still writing poorly.
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Dec 5, 2017 20:01:04 GMT -5
FFS, this is what Chinaman refers to: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu_ManchuAnd it's not writing poorly on purpose, it's an attempt to write well using poor devices.
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Post by Toz76 on Dec 5, 2017 20:19:13 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinaman_(term)Actually, based on the time it was written, it would have referred to the Chinese people as a whole. Maybe that character was why he had an objection, but still. If you can find a way to make number 5 not racist, though, it could be a fun exercise.
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Dec 5, 2017 20:20:09 GMT -5
I... think Toz is right to be honest. We've done all these before to some extent; and we've already got plenty of short stories lined up because of the next generation of crime. ...... We are nearing the end of LM 13 though- so when you are ready Toz; lets power through this final stretch and close one heck of an adventure
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Dec 5, 2017 20:22:15 GMT -5
I wasn't even planning on this to be right away. If we did though, it'd have to be non-canonical to LM for obvious reasons.
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Post by Toz76 on Dec 9, 2017 0:52:19 GMT -5
Future volume pitches:
Treachery, Faith, And The Great River: Marlena's first case as an official Scotland Yard detective leads her into a bizarre cult.
Gunnarson Goes Foreign: Gunnarson takes a holiday to New York City, but things go awry when someone is killed in his hotel.
Catspaws: A new assassin's guild has risen, and Marlena is tasked with bringing them down.
Civil War: When Gunnarson's unorthodox methods appear to result in a death, Stein and Marlena are assigned to bring him in. The three greatest LM detectives square off against each other in a deadly game of cat and mouse, as Gunnarson tries to prove his innocence before Stein and Marlena can track him down.
He Comes To Dusinane: Gunnarson realizes that many of the mysteries of the past several years have a common thread. Meanwhile, people close to him start dying mysteriously...
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Ideally, the first one would come before LM25, and the rest I don't really care either way, although thinking (very) long term, perhaps Civil War and HCTD should be 38 and 40 respectively, because they tie into each other in a lot of ways.
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Dec 9, 2017 2:32:00 GMT -5
He comes to Dusinane fascinates me... what do you have in mind?
.........
Werewolves in London
Stein finds a body of a man brutally clawed to death... but the weapon doesn't look like anything typical.
The Man in the Raft
A body in a raft washes up on shore; Gunnarson only has the evidence in the boat to go on if he wants to solve the case
The Ninth Circle
When members of Walton's old SAS unit are found dead, he finds evidence that strongly indicates the murderer is one of his former squad mates.
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Dec 9, 2017 12:27:25 GMT -5
Regarding Werewolves in London, it would be better as "of" London, y'know, references and stuff.
Also Man in the Raft is basically the plot to The Floating Admiral. Not that it's a bad thing, but just wanted you to be aware.
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Dec 9, 2017 13:43:06 GMT -5
While I see your point, I didn't want the title to sound identical to Vampires of Crewe As to the raft case- this one isn't based on Christie, this one is based on the case of the Somerton Man en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamam_Shud_case... only this one will be solved and the man will eventually have an identity
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Dec 9, 2017 13:49:32 GMT -5
I know, just saying.
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Dec 9, 2017 13:58:55 GMT -5
Looks like it's time to update the LM schedule Eyes.
Oh- and I put the assassin's page up on the LM wiki
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