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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Jun 22, 2023 1:29:20 GMT -5
I guess weโll have to look for clues. Which one has the least amount of red on it?
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Post by Toz76 on Jun 22, 2023 1:37:11 GMT -5
They're both covered in blood, so...
Wait, why does my head hurt?
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Jun 22, 2023 1:46:35 GMT -5
It must be the paradox of the doors. What witchcraft standeth before us?? Why doth it make mine eyes tingle and tremble?
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Jun 25, 2023 12:49:23 GMT -5
My friend, thatโs the garlic powder you accidentally got in your eyes
Pardon me, why do you smell like cheese and old socks?
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Post by Toz76 on Jun 25, 2023 22:11:45 GMT -5
For the same reason you don't.
What is love (baby don't hurt me! Don't hurt me! No more)?
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Jun 27, 2023 4:58:54 GMT -5
Pulsating together on a black night in the middle of June. The limericks are fluttering again. Hail the great beast from the western coast. Bring me back to life with the very nature of the skeletons within your closet. And force my hand to play the last card I had saved. To be saved is to be enslaved. And to be in love is to be enslaved. Where passion dies, so too flies away the songbird roasted upon the open fires, where kept hidden were all of your darkest desires. Let them sing once out upon the wind, and let them know how deeply we have sinned. Only once shall the voice of the world be let in. Once we have unlocked the stone in the great hallway shall our ritual begin. And then you will learn what true love really is; defined as much more than just a mere kiss. And believe your eyes when you feel these emotions, deeper than any titans drowning deep in the oceans. But pain is just as much a factor of love as any of the other ones mentioned above. So make the most of tonight, twinkle toes, because where youโll be tomorrow, nobody knowsโฆ
Uhโฆ anyone wanna break that down for me?
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Jul 4, 2023 10:30:07 GMT -5
I've tried, but it does not compute
Can you see it before you, how it had eluded us for so long until now?
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Post by Toz76 on Jul 4, 2023 15:42:49 GMT -5
Nope, sorry.
Why is it so hot today?
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Jul 9, 2023 9:39:28 GMT -5
Well, the weather report calls for clear skies and the humidity index is the highest its been in weeks... and for some reason you insist on wearing your winter coat and pants in July
If you found yourself facing down a madman who was charging at you with a club, how long would it take for your Uber Eats order to arrive assuming the Madman can't run faster than you can swim?
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Post by Toz76 on Jul 10, 2023 4:37:56 GMT -5
I swim slow as hell, that madman isn't getting anywhere near me. Probably around 20 minutes, depending on the time of day and complexity of the order
If you found yourself facing down a gladglan who was charging at you with a spade, how long would it take for your doordash order to arrive assuming the gladglan can't fly faster than you can run?
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Jul 14, 2023 16:45:51 GMT -5
Iโm a fairly decent runner, so 20 minutes if itโs not raining. 40 minutes if ice cream is involved
Are you sure your pants have always been orange?
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Post by Toz76 on Jul 15, 2023 1:09:00 GMT -5
Oh, for sure. I definitely did not drink seventeen gallons of orange juice and then have a potty accident on my way to a 70s throwback disco party in my white bell-bottoms. That's definitely not what happened.
What's the Kwasitz Haderach?
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Jul 29, 2023 21:58:22 GMT -5
Hmm, let me consult Iron Maiden's fourth album, Piece of Mind, released in 1983, for the answer to your question. I believe it's located in the final song on the album, "To Tame a Land", originally titled "Dune" but blocked by Frank Herbert himself who didn't like rock bands, particularly heavy rock bands, and especially bands like Iron Maiden. Let's see what they have to say on the matter:
He is the King of all the land In the Kingdom of the sands Of a time tomorrow He rules the sandworms and the Fremen In a land amongst the stars Of an age tomorrow He is destined to be a King He rules over everything In the land called planet Dune Body water is your life And without it you would die In the desert, the planet Dune, oh!
Without a still suit you would fry On the sands so hot and dry In a world called Arrakis It is a land that's rich in spice The sand riders and the mice That they call the 'Muad'Dib' He is the Kwizatz Haderach He is born of Caladan And will take the Gom Jabbar He has the power to foresee Or to look into the past He is the ruler of the stars
The time will come for him To lay claim his crown And then the foe Yes, they'll be cut down You'll see, he'll be The best that there's been Messiah supreme True leader of men And when the time For judgement's at hand Don't fret, he's strong He'll make a stand 'Gainst evil and fire That spreads through the land He has the power To make it all E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E N N N N N N N N N N N N N N D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
...uhhhhhhhh, I don't think that answers your question. Anyone else want a shot?
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Post by Toz76 on Jul 30, 2023 0:57:37 GMT -5
I've actually read the book, so I'm good, thanks.
Although, like, what's the deal with Jessica just being able to decide the sex of her kids? Weird, right?
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Jul 30, 2023 7:26:44 GMT -5
Well when you're from the planet Conclamador you have to select it before insemination, otherwise you birth a Wratchadler, which slither out of your womb and begins to attack the innocents.
Any more information on these Conclamadors?
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Post by Toz76 on Jul 30, 2023 17:39:24 GMT -5
That's definitely not part of the Dune lore, I got nothing
Who is the roaring knight?
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Aug 3, 2023 19:09:10 GMT -5
Taken from the entry in The Eyes Expanded Encyclopedia of English Elden Epics:
The Roaring Knight tale is an old legend first described in an Old English manuscript dating back to the 900s. The manuscript was rediscovered in 1836 by English historians and proves interesting because the "knight" is actually a warrior who, watching his entire village get annihilated by genocidal invaders, charges with a war against the invaders and avenges every member of the village, down to the number, in slain foes, before finally being killed himself. Most historians believe that the story must have been passed down verbally before this manuscript was written, possibly dating back hundreds of years extra.
The rise of knights during the 12th century, coinciding with the Crusades and legends of King Arthur's "Knights of the Round Table", led to the legend transforming into, not one of an indistinct warrior, but a knight. Here the story has already altered in other subtle ways. What follows is the most popular incarnation of the story:
A knight returns from a pilgrimage to the village where he was born. Upon arrival, he finds only remnants of the houses, which have been burned to the ground. Bloodstains line the ground and show him that this was the culmination of a violent attack. He learns later (whether by his own detective skills or through asking the locals of neighboring villages) that they have been wiped out by an invasive group that is attempting to conquer the land. Most of the other villages, under threat of violence, have surrendered to the invaders, but the knight's dared to fight the incoming army, and were wiped out completely.
The knight spends forty days and forty nights out in the woods, asking God for strength, weeping for the people so dear to his heart that were mercilessly slaughtered, and erecting a memorial in their honor. After those forty days and nights, he composes himself and becomes a cold and faceless avenger, the only one left who can defend the honor of those who were slain.
For the next three years, he stalks the invasive army and begins killing their members one by one. With stealth as his tool, he avenges his fallen kinsmen in complete silence. Those who manage to witness him and live to tell the tale recount only that he is clad in armor, with only his sword as his weapon, upon a fiery black horse.
After those three years of ambushing attacks against his sworn enemies, he has depleted their numbers greatly and never once been discovered. Finally, the number that he has killed equal the number of villagers murdered in that original fight. The last victim of his is left with a note carved into a tree close by the body, that announces to the group exactly why he has been killing them in this fashion. Two nights after this killing, one last body is found, with another note that announces that this final person was for... himself.
The knight disappears after this, and what happens to him is unknown. It is also unnecessary, for his legend inspires the other people subjugated by these new rulers to band together and overthrow them once and for all. He is the Roaring Knight, for he was the only roar his fallen village had left, and it inspired the roars of everyone else to finally bring about victory.
The first proper written account of this tale was from Geoffrey Chaucer, which in ten pages remains his shortest work. It's also not written with his usual style, which leads scholars to come to two conclusions: 1) Either that he merely wished to record the work from someone's recounting of it that profoundly moved him, or 2) that someone else wrote it, claiming it to be Chaucer's own. Regardless of this, we do know that Chaucer knew of the tale, for he included a reference to it in The Canterbury Tales:
And he spoke at length of the knights of old, Who rode and conquered and took back control; Like the one who is said fought with a roar, And in so doing, settled an old score. Shakespeare himself included a cheeky reference in Romeo and Juliet:
And unlike the knight who killed foes whose deeds Took all his kin, I will die sadly not Avenging my Juliet; yet I shall Go to the grave, still roaring all the while.
In modern days, Winston Churchill included the story in his book A History of the English-Speaking Peoples, using it to highlight the bravery of the British people, especially when compared to their valiance in the world wars. Scholars do not believe the story to have a real basis, much like the legends of King Arthur himself, but the legend is certainly one of the isle's most prestigious.
Well, with that out of the way, would you like to give a critical analysis of the tale of the "Roaring Knight"?
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Post by Toz76 on Aug 3, 2023 21:06:31 GMT -5
Well, the Roaring Knight is a character from the video game Deltarune, but you've done a rather impressive job sounding convincing with this description. It shows a pretty convincing and believable trajectory for how stories evolve, clearly influenced by the real world evolution of Beowulf and the Welsh legends that became the tales of King Arthur. I'm pretty familiar with Romeo and Juliet as well as the Canterbury Tales, and I had to actually double check to make sure those were made up. Unfortunately, while they work well on a first read, they don't hold up to close scrutiny, and a dedicated Medieval scholar would probably notice the shortcomings even quicker than I. The Canterbury Tales is not in nearly archaic enough language, and the Romeo and Juliet example is implicitly from act 5, scene 3, when Romeo monologues before killing himself, which is too famous a speech to insert this addition. I personally would have gone with a more obscure Shakespearian tragedy, to make the allusion more believable. One other issue I can identify is that the "roaring" epithet seems out of place. Though both Romeo and Chaucer describe the knight as roaring while he fights, the retelling included tells us that the knight kills in silence and the roar is metaphorical. I think a good fix would be to include an addition where the knight returns a few days after seemingly finishing his revenge and slaughters the remaining invaders, while constantly bellowing (roaring), showing how his revenge has not yet resolved his grief. However, this may contradict with the intended themes of the story, which seems to take cues from the Count of Monte Cristo with its emphasis on elaborate revenge. This brings me to the final, and biggest, problem with the tale as presented. In addition to the theme of revenge, the knight also becomes a figure that would seemingly be a threat to nobility everywhere, a more extreme take on Robin Hood that explicitly calls for violent revolt. I find such an implicitly socialist folk hero to be unlikely in a medieval legend- Robin Hood is already pushing it and suffered significant bastardization over time to make him and what he represented less of a threat to the British aristocracy. In short, while a well-told tale, the last paragraph of the "most common version" seems to be the biggest issue in terms of believability. Ugh, we get it, Toz, you're an English major, shut up. (Just to be clear, I'm very impressed with this post, it's way too good for this thread, but you did ask for a "critical analysis" so ) ___________________ Do you think my analysis was fair?
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Aug 3, 2023 21:13:45 GMT -5
I think it was fair in everything except the Chaucer passage being too modern-sounding โ clearly the encyclopedia included a modern translation and not the Middle English original text so that modern readers wouldnโt be confused.
You also missed the connections with the Old English poem โThe Wandererโ, of which the original tale is a merely altered outcome of the same base character. Would this knowledge have altered your critique in any way?
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Post by Toz76 on Aug 3, 2023 21:19:43 GMT -5
I know very little about that poem, but I don't know if I would have seen the connection had you not pointed it out. Other than being about solitary characters dealing with grief, I don't think the connection is all that explicit, and even that is hardly unique. I will defend my Chaucer take, though. Even if we grant that the spelling has been modernized, I think the grammar and word choice is a bit too slick and modern to scan as authentic Chaucer. That's just my opinion, though, I'm hardly a Chaucer expert.
Any other questions?
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