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Post by frankthetriviaman on Feb 14, 2018 21:28:55 GMT -5
So there's been some talk about reordering the planned LMs, and we should probably discuss this more in depth.
The particulars I cannot recall at the moment, but one of the issues is compared to me and eyes, Toz and tug have not really created that many LMs where they had the direction.
With that in mind, it's been proposed to shake up the order
* specifics of the proposal coming soon
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Feb 14, 2018 21:55:48 GMT -5
I don't care how anything after 20 runs, though I do wanna keep 15, 17, 19, and 20 where they are.
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Feb 14, 2018 22:13:29 GMT -5
Wait, I may have an idea of sorts.
1) The plan for LM20 is to tie up two of my loose ends - Cricket's history and her relationship with Hartley, and The Man's identity. What if we threw in a third one? LM20 could also be the novel in which the notes of Drugg are finally cleared up, and it would also make for a good base before we head to everything else.
2) As I've said before, I really wanted LM to be a series where we could have a bunch of different detectives and not always have to keep with the usual suspects. I know you all like tie-ins and what-nots, but I'm still not a fan - so, what if we took the unrelated mystery novel ideas and created a "spin-off" series where we could actually create them without having to worry about them being canon? This would also allow us to focus on more than one story at a time, and could prove rather interesting.
Also, I swear to god, I'm gonna help keep Xmas Gunnarson Adventures running. Gimme some time to re-read the whole thread and get caught up on it.
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Feb 15, 2018 0:35:53 GMT -5
I'm fine with the spin off series; and if we can make it work- I'm for It
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Feb 15, 2018 0:56:02 GMT -5
The question now remains when we start said spin-off series (if Toz76 and Tug are okay / interested in it too) and whether or not to pull LM17 out and use it as the first volume of the spin-off.
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Feb 17, 2018 13:19:03 GMT -5
Ok, I admit my tangent in LM 14 went a little out there; don't worry, I'll post later to tie it up, the we can focus on Finn and his boys ransacking that gambling den
(Or whatever tug thinks would make him most "in character" )
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Feb 18, 2018 16:40:27 GMT -5
OK, so before I set up our spin-off series of stand-alones, I need one last thing - a name for it.
Anyone have any suggestions?
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Feb 18, 2018 16:52:26 GMT -5
I have some ideas, but first I need to know-
Are all the stories in London, and is the time frame consistent?
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Feb 18, 2018 17:05:15 GMT -5
Since it's standalone stories, the settings and time frames may change per story. What was to be LM17, for instance, takes place in England, but it isn't a London story. It likely will take place in the '40s.
But again, it's subject to change and I don't wanna give off a false impression to anyone.
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Feb 18, 2018 17:36:57 GMT -5
How about something like "The Cardiff Anthology"
Anthology referring to the fact that each story is self contained, and Cardiff referring to the "mythos" of the series. I imagine it's we treat it like one author writing these stories; Something like-
"My name is Robert Cardiff, and I have a fascination with the criminal mind. The eternal struggle of good versus evil is one I have spent a great deal of time analyzing, and in this piece I will show you one such struggle. On one side we have (hero of the week); whose adventure shall be told within these pages. A crime most heinous has been committed and only following the trail of clues can the villain be stopped"
...... how's that?
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Feb 18, 2018 21:29:47 GMT -5
I really like the idea and I really like the name, but I think I should probably clear something else up - when I say these are stand-alones, I don't mean that we can never reuse a character or a detective; I just mean that most of the stories will be completely separate of the others. So we aren't creating another LM, but some stories may have characters we've already used.
As for a prologue like that, I like it... but I don't really know if it fits my "vision" for this "series". My idea is to have some straight-forward mystery stories, but I also wanna do something like the Sayers stories - take a mystery story and turn it into a "novel".
So... I like it but I don't think it'll quite work. Though keeping "Anthology" in the title wouldn't be too bad... you don't happen to have any other suggestions, do you?
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Feb 18, 2018 23:35:19 GMT -5
I'm afraid that's all I got; sorry
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Feb 22, 2018 19:30:29 GMT -5
I'll be transposing LM 8 in the coming weeks to the temporary thread so it can be edited;; but it requires a lot of work on account of several aspects being problematic with it.
This scene is to be added in the later half; because I don't think Hartley's frustration was depicted well enough:
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Is there anything I can do for you?" I asked Gunnarson.
"Just keep an eye on the girl. That is all I ask."
I thought about it for a few seconds then sighed and said "No Gunnarson, I will not"
"What?" Gunnarson asked, confused.
"Look Gunnarson, I am your friend and you can tell me anything. But ever since I came here all you have done is keep me in the dark and make me a baby sitter. Well, I can't take it anymore; as soon as we are don't here I am taking Cricket to Scotland Yard and I am returning to Scotland" he said sternly.
"What? But Hartley..." Gunnarson began
"I'm sorry Gunnarson but my mind is made up. I'll leave your spare gun at the apartment; but I am decided; she is going to Scotland Yard to get the protection she needs" I explained.
"But Hartley, you've been doing a fine job" Cricket assured.
"I'm flattered, but the police can do a much better job. Come on Cricket; the sooner we drop you off the sooner I can go home" I said as we left. Gunnarson was disappointed... in hindsight, maybe he shouldn't have been so secretive about what he was doing.
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"Yes, I appreciate it; thank you" I said s I finished up at Scotland Yard.
"She will be safe here" the officer assured as Cricket was lead into one of the inspectors' offices. As for me, I left to go get my things at Gunnarson's, then head home. "Gunnarson is a good friend; but there is nothing else for me here" I thought to myself. It wasn't a far walk, but after I got my things, and hailed a cab to take me to the train station. Little did I know I was being watched.
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"Damn it! This ruins everything!" The Man said as he saw Hartley enter the cab. His plan was falling apart
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Feb 22, 2018 23:18:41 GMT -5
I think the best way I can describe The Man is by comparing him to The Joker in The Dark Knight. The Joker doesn't care what happens, it's all a part of his plan. The Man isn't exactly like this, but if something doesn't go according to plan, he doesn't care, he has other plans in back-up.
"The pessimist complains about the wind; The optimist expects it to change; The realist adjusts the sails."
Kinda good quote I heard that describes The Man.
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Feb 22, 2018 23:29:53 GMT -5
While that is good to know; I don't know what else to put as a reaction so if you have any ideas; feel free to put them here and I'll add it to the transposing
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Mar 1, 2018 20:37:07 GMT -5
So shouldn't we put all our proposed stories that aren't on the official list yet together? It occurs to me that a lot of our ideas are starting to be buried
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Mar 6, 2018 0:38:28 GMT -5
While we are waiting for the next post in LM, here's a little taste of what you could expect; even though I'm not writing the story. Not sure how the bulk of the battle would go, but for Finn, here's how I would write the end of his fight.
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Keogh lunged at Finn and forced him to the floor. What they both his comrades taken down now it was up to him. There was no way in hell he was losing to this intruder. He stood right over Finn as he struggled, and pointed his gun at Finn's head. "You are going to pay for making a mess of my establishment; any lady words?" He asked.
"Yea... watch where you are standing, cocky bastard!" and Finn shot his foot straight up, hitting Keogh full force in the crotch. Keogh had been taken completely off guard, and the hit made him drop his gun. He crumpled to the ground and fell into the fetal position, the agony all too apparent. Finn stood up and casually walked over to Keogh's gun, picking it up.
"You may have had numbers; but I had a plan" Finn stated. Keogh could only continue groaning
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Mar 22, 2018 1:05:59 GMT -5
Eventual scene for LM 20; because this is a point that is rather important:
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"Tell me Hartley; are you scared of me?" The Man asked.
"Quite frankly... no" Hartley said rather dryly.
"What?!" The Man said angrily.
"I don't know what your deal is, and quite frankly I don't care. I met you only once and that was, what, five years ago? Heck, we didn't even meet for two minutes. I don't know how you know me, but the fact is that I don't know you, and to me you're just a nutcase you tried to kill me and failed... speaking of which shouldn't you be dead after being shot four times?" Hartley finished.
"Why you little... you will die Hartley! I swear it!" The Man shouted.
"Yea... this is exactly why I moved. You may be a nutcase, but I'd rather not see you any time soon. Don't call this number again; as far as I'm concerned you and I will never meet again" and Hartley hung up the phone. In perspective- what was he getting so worked up over? This "Man" was nothing more than a blip in his past... a weirdo who came into his life for but a moment then never came back. Hartley decided to do the only thing that made sense: move on with his life and continue with his housework.
Meanwhile...
(We probably cut to The Man who does some sort of monologue)
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Mar 22, 2018 20:22:01 GMT -5
Yeah, no.
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Mar 22, 2018 23:11:15 GMT -5
Hartley isn't wrong though- if anything, this only helps set up for the big revelation of who this man really is
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