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Post by Toz76 on Oct 7, 2017 15:59:11 GMT -5
Eyes' concept would actually make for an interesting story, but I would hold off on it until Marlena is developed further. I still have trouble seeing her as a vigilante.
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Oct 7, 2017 16:06:34 GMT -5
Well don't forget- this is for further down the line.
By now Commissioner Turner has taken over, so we're several LMs away from this. And to be honest- I do want to see her developed more anyway. In fact- this arc is meant just for that kind of thing. That being said, you are right in that we should hold off on this until she is developed more
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Oct 7, 2017 16:23:26 GMT -5
Eyes' concept would actually make for an interesting story, but I would hold off on it until Marlena is developed further. I still have trouble seeing her as a vigilante. I do agree with this. Weren't we going to be making Marlena a police officer? I think this story would fit best after that happens; she could ask the police chief to let her have this case instead of her going out and doing it herself.
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Oct 7, 2017 16:34:04 GMT -5
Thing is- she would be denied because she's "too close" to this one.
She's not a Vigilante- I agree- but the idea for this case is the whole "this time it's personal" thing. I like where Eyes is going with it- that an idea we can work with?
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Oct 7, 2017 16:37:41 GMT -5
Are you sure she would be denied though?
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Oct 7, 2017 16:50:47 GMT -5
Pretty sure; the Commissioner wouldn't want her emotions to interfere with her judgement
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Oct 7, 2017 16:54:04 GMT -5
In that case, maybe she could be assigned a partner? That way, not only wouldn't she be solo, but she'd also have something to hold her back in case... you know.
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Oct 7, 2017 16:57:32 GMT -5
I think we need another opinion- Toz, your thoughts?
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Post by Toz76 on Oct 7, 2017 17:11:05 GMT -5
In my view, this case would be seen as too personal for her to objectively solve, for several reasons. I think the best way to approach it would be have someone else assigned to the case, have him come to the exact wrong conclusions, and then she goes vigilante.
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Oct 7, 2017 17:16:09 GMT -5
Well now that we've gotten to that, maybe there's some sort of fall-out between them after he comes to the wrong conclusions? That or, the detective who is assigned to it with her doesn't think a woman could figure out a case like this, then comes to the wrong conclusions, had to accede that maybe she's right after all, and by working together are able to find the criminal? Actually that sounds like a Thomas episode.
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Post by Toz76 on Oct 7, 2017 17:25:40 GMT -5
That's almost exactly what I had in mind, actually. My idea was more that they think a woman couldn't be objective in a rape case, rather than in general, but other than that, I like it.
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Oct 7, 2017 17:40:38 GMT -5
Well that's what mak s this case so interesting-
What kind of wrong conclusions would they come to? Given that we know the suspect fro. The beginning in this case (Marshall Johnston), would it it be a case of they didn't find him where they expected to find him?
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Oct 7, 2017 17:54:35 GMT -5
I dislike the idea of the women who's been raped knowing who her attacker is. This was something I forgot to bring up. Let's remember, rape is a traumatizing thing, and if it happened, say, out of nowhere in an alley at night, and the woman didn't have a police guide memorized, then there's a slim chance that she'd know her attacker. Maybe if she saw a picture, but otherwise I think it's something we shouldn't write off from the start.
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Post by Toz76 on Oct 7, 2017 18:14:04 GMT -5
Most rapes are committed by someone the victim knows and trusts, IIRC. A back alley rape is possible, but we don't want to risk dramatizing rapes and ignoring the very real traumas they cause for the sake of a more interesting plot.
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Oct 7, 2017 18:21:37 GMT -5
That is true... though I would've thought there'd be more dramatization if it isn't a stranger. Plus if it IS someone the victim knows and we wanna go down Frank's route, that would mean that Marlena has a friend who knows Johnston, in which case... see where I'm going? Also, the victim is Rowena Crow, who's a part of Marlena's 'team' from LM12. Do we really want to use her, or should we come up with another character for the story? I'm kinda going for the latter... mainly because I came up with a really cool name that I wanna use, but let the majority decide.
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Post by Toz76 on Oct 7, 2017 18:27:24 GMT -5
Use the other name, I'd rather leave Crow out of harms way for now.
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Oct 7, 2017 18:35:31 GMT -5
As long as it's someone Marlena knows, doesn't bother me.
So I did some research, and it turns out that serial rapists are, in fact, a real thing, they are just, like Toz said, very rare.
So, to recall from Turner's list- Marshall Johnston and Colin Sandoval are the serial rapists; and Frederick Houghton and Zachary Wilson are the one-time rapists. Wilson- like Toz said, knew the victim.
Now, the reason that two are serial rapists, and two are one time rapists, with one of the two being from a robbery gone wrong, and the other being a case of the victim knowing the attacker, is actually quite practical from our standpoint- we don't want to tell the same story four times over, so this creates variety in our suspects and scenarios, and thus more unique stories.
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Post by Biblically Accurate Angel on Oct 7, 2017 18:38:43 GMT -5
Congrats, Vera Lynn Taylor, you're in the Literary Mosaics now!
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Oct 7, 2017 21:48:27 GMT -5
From the chat-
The Houghton case will be worked by Stein. Stein hears rumors of a demon "stealing the souls' of men, but its really just mentally broken men who can't get over the fact they were raped. But commissioner Turner dismisses these claims as nonsense and orders Stein to work the Houghton case instead.
As he works the case, it evolves into a typical Stein case. Stein hears rumors of a demon "stealing the souls' of men, but its really just mentally broken men who can't get over the fact they were raped So for the Houghton case- what actually happened was, the victim in question- she was robbed, but she lured the guy to rob her. After he robs her, she ambushes him, rapes him, and when he runs away, she reports the crime, but with his evidence, adds the rape, and afterwards, with him on the radar, begins her spree as the Succubus.
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Post by frankthetriviaman on Oct 7, 2017 22:14:06 GMT -5
two scenes for Stein case:
Commissioner Turner was looking over the report handed to him by Detective Stein. But from the look on his face, it was clear that he wasn't impressed. "So you're telling me that there's some dmon going around, stealing men's souls, leaving only their mind-broken bodies behind?" "That's what the evidence is pointing to, sir" Detective Stein replied. Commissioner Turner sighed "Stein; I know you are a fine detective, and you deal with a lot of cases like this. But even I find this nonsensical. At any rate, I cannot allow you to pursue this case- it's utter nonsense. I'm ordering you to work another case" Commissioner Turner said as he handed back the report "What kind of case, sir?" Stein asked, confused. "Putting you on the Houghton case; about time someone brought that rapist to justice" Turner said "But sir... I'm a homicide detective" Stein pointed out. "Yes; but the other detectives assigned to that unit haven't been able to get any leads. Maybe it's time to get a fresh set of eyes on the case. Now get to it Stein; crime isn't going to stop itself" Turner said before returning to his paperwork Stein sighed as he walked out of the office. "Well, not my forte, but an order is an order" he relented before heading back to his desk.
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"Beg pardon, Stein, but what is a succubus?" Conrad asked, confused.
Stein looked at grimly, "demons of antiquity, who preyed on men while they slept. Dream demons, you could say. They come to men in their dreams, superficially appearing to be attractive women. And yet, once they make contact with their prey, their true freightening and demonic nature becomes apparent. Intercourse with a succubus is said to cause the deterioration of health and mental state... perhaps even death. Their face and body is described as being that of an attractive woman, but beyond that... fangs, horns, cloven feet, a tail... they are basically demons. And yet... something does not seem right..." Stein observed.
"So... this succubus doesn't exist then? If succubuses..." Conrad began
"Succubi" Stein corrected.
"... succubi, are demons that only appear in dreams, then is it possible these men weren't raped?" Conrad asked.
"Well if it wasn't rape, what else could cause these symptoms?" Stein proposed
"Drugs?" Johnson suggested. Conrad and Stein stared at him.
"We have to consider all possibilities until ruled out!" He argued.
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